Q. I am looking for a prosumer camcorder that has manual controls (zoom, iris, focus, white balance etc.), XLR inputs (or something just as good), with good video quality in any light (possibly hd, but not totally necessary). I don't really care about the format because I don't mind buying tapes, and I wouldn't mind buying sd cards (I don't really like the hard drive ones because my computer has very little space). It would also need to be able to edit it on iMovie '09 on my new mac mini (2 ghz intel core 2 duo, 2 gb, 1067 mhz, it's the new one so it's graphics are good). The camera would need to be in the $1,000 range (I have no $) but I could maybe go higher. If you have any questions just ask them and follow my question and I should answer them within a day.
p.s. I have some light experience in the film area, I took a class for a year and was a volunteer teacher at a film school for elementary kids. I have only used 1 prosumer camcorder (Sony DCR-VX2100) and really like it compared to my stupid Canon ZR830 (terrible picture and audio). I will probably be using this to make my own films, but I might film weddings and stuff to try and earn money. Thanks for your help.
Thanks for everyone's help. I think I might go with either the Canon GL2 or the Sony DCR-VX2100 (Wow! What complicated names, what happened to 1, 2 ,3). I think I like the Sony better because of it's manual features. Has anyone used both, which one do you like best?
p.s. I have some light experience in the film area, I took a class for a year and was a volunteer teacher at a film school for elementary kids. I have only used 1 prosumer camcorder (Sony DCR-VX2100) and really like it compared to my stupid Canon ZR830 (terrible picture and audio). I will probably be using this to make my own films, but I might film weddings and stuff to try and earn money. Thanks for your help.
Thanks for everyone's help. I think I might go with either the Canon GL2 or the Sony DCR-VX2100 (Wow! What complicated names, what happened to 1, 2 ,3). I think I like the Sony better because of it's manual features. Has anyone used both, which one do you like best?
A. There are only two connection methods to get audio into a camcorder. XLR (pro) or 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo jack (that can be augmented with an XLR adapter like those from juicedLink or BeachTek. Having the audio-in is part of the equation - the other parts are having external mics and the camcorder's manual audio control.
In the $1,000 range, the only choices you have are the Canon HV20/HV30/HV40 or the Sony HDR-HC9. Anything that does high definition under about $3,000 will have small lenses and small imaging chips and will provide you with poor low light behavior.
Everything beyond this is outside your stated budget.
Working our way up from the HV20/HV30/HV40 or the Sony HDR-HC9 which are DV/HDV...
Canon GL2 and Sony DCR-VX2100. Standard def DV only (4:3 or widescreen), larger lenses and imaging chips. 1/8" audio-in; manual controls on the outside.
The Sony HVR-A1U has XLR jacks - but it is a bottom loader and uses the same lenses and single CMOS inmaging chip as the HDR-HC1. The HVR-HD1000U is merely a higher-end consumer cam in a shoulder-mount form factor.
Panasonic AG-DVX100b. Standard def only. Big lenses, big imaging chips, can do P2 cards.
Most of the consumer AVCHD gear captures at an anemic 17 mbps so there is way too much compression applied. Plus, neither the hard disc drive nor flash memory cams in this area have manual audio control... The best Sony can come up with is "Normal" and "Low" settings in the MicRefLevel menu selection for mic gain.
Sorry to break it to you... but "prosumer" starts at closer to $1500 and that's for standard def only... Then there's tripod or other steadying devices, mics, XLR adapter, additional recharcheable high capacity battery or two, wide angle and tele lenses, cases, cables, etc...
From a $/gig perspective, miniDV tape continues to be the least expensive. At about $3 per 60 minute tape (I use the cheap Sony Premium tapes in 8-packs from Fry's - they are cheaper in quantities from tapestockonline), that turns into 14 gig of standard definition or 44 gig of high definition storage. Just don't reuse the tapes.
For your Mac environment, all you need is a firewire cable to connect the camcorder's DV port to the Mac's firewire port... I do that pretty much daily with my DV/HDV gear on an iMac. iMovie '09 will be fine - certainly better than '08...
In the $1,000 range, the only choices you have are the Canon HV20/HV30/HV40 or the Sony HDR-HC9. Anything that does high definition under about $3,000 will have small lenses and small imaging chips and will provide you with poor low light behavior.
Everything beyond this is outside your stated budget.
Working our way up from the HV20/HV30/HV40 or the Sony HDR-HC9 which are DV/HDV...
Canon GL2 and Sony DCR-VX2100. Standard def DV only (4:3 or widescreen), larger lenses and imaging chips. 1/8" audio-in; manual controls on the outside.
The Sony HVR-A1U has XLR jacks - but it is a bottom loader and uses the same lenses and single CMOS inmaging chip as the HDR-HC1. The HVR-HD1000U is merely a higher-end consumer cam in a shoulder-mount form factor.
Panasonic AG-DVX100b. Standard def only. Big lenses, big imaging chips, can do P2 cards.
Most of the consumer AVCHD gear captures at an anemic 17 mbps so there is way too much compression applied. Plus, neither the hard disc drive nor flash memory cams in this area have manual audio control... The best Sony can come up with is "Normal" and "Low" settings in the MicRefLevel menu selection for mic gain.
Sorry to break it to you... but "prosumer" starts at closer to $1500 and that's for standard def only... Then there's tripod or other steadying devices, mics, XLR adapter, additional recharcheable high capacity battery or two, wide angle and tele lenses, cases, cables, etc...
From a $/gig perspective, miniDV tape continues to be the least expensive. At about $3 per 60 minute tape (I use the cheap Sony Premium tapes in 8-packs from Fry's - they are cheaper in quantities from tapestockonline), that turns into 14 gig of standard definition or 44 gig of high definition storage. Just don't reuse the tapes.
For your Mac environment, all you need is a firewire cable to connect the camcorder's DV port to the Mac's firewire port... I do that pretty much daily with my DV/HDV gear on an iMac. iMovie '09 will be fine - certainly better than '08...
SD Camcorder with XLR mic ports on the cheap?
Q. It's September the 13th, 2009 and I have a question about camcorders.
Does anybody know of a Standard Definition video-camera that has external mic inputs for around $0-$500 ? I'm expecting it would cost $300 to $450.
I would like to use an XLR (directional) type microphone with it and I've heard this requires either:
· XLR connector
· XLR ports
· XLR adapter
I've also heard the following was some things you want in a camcorder and some are optional:
· 3 CCD
· image stabilization
· low-light performance
· headphone jack?
· bundled video editing software
· Lux 2 to 7 (lower is better)
Anybody know of that camcorder that is reasonably adequate and can accept XLR microphones?
Sir. What do you think about the Canon FS21 or 22?
Does anybody know of a Standard Definition video-camera that has external mic inputs for around $0-$500 ? I'm expecting it would cost $300 to $450.
I would like to use an XLR (directional) type microphone with it and I've heard this requires either:
· XLR connector
· XLR ports
· XLR adapter
I've also heard the following was some things you want in a camcorder and some are optional:
· 3 CCD
· image stabilization
· low-light performance
· headphone jack?
· bundled video editing software
· Lux 2 to 7 (lower is better)
Anybody know of that camcorder that is reasonably adequate and can accept XLR microphones?
Sir. What do you think about the Canon FS21 or 22?
A. The $0-$500 price range is consumer grade. There is no consumer grade camcorder with XLR audio-jacks.
The Canon FS series of flash memory SD card and ZR960 miniDV tape based standard definiton camcorders have a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo audio in jack so an XLR adapter (like those from juicedLink or BeachTek) would be used in order to use mics which use an XLR connector. They do not have a headphone jack - but you can use the AV-out (Red-right audio; White-left audio) RCA jacks connected to an adapter to connect headphones and monitor the audio being captured. "XLR port" and "XLR connector" are the same thing on a camcorder.
The only camcorder I can think of that uses a 3CCD array and is in the $0-$500 price range and is standard definition is the Panasonic PV-GS320. It is miniDV tape based and has no audio-in jack (and certainly no XLR audio-in jacks).
Most camcorders starting at about $250 (and over) have some sot of image stabilization. At the low end this will be "digital" stabilization. Optical stabilization is a lot better and typical of more expensive camcorders.
There is no consumer camcorder in the $0-$500 with "good" low-light performance. In this price range, the lenses are less than 37mm diameter size. They are not big enough to capture enough light to behave well under low lighting conditions. As well, the imaging chips are too small (typically in the 1/6 inch range) to grab light under low light conditions. As the price goes up, the lenses get bigger... so do the imaging chips. This paragraph covers the "Lux 2 to 7" portion of your requirements as well. You may find these entry-level consumer cams reporting in at about 6 lux. The video is grainy at that level.
There is no consumer camcorder that has useful software bundled in the box. The bundled Microsoft MovieMaker (Windows XP SP2 and newer and Vista) and Apple iMovie editors are WAY better than any software bundled with the camcorder.
The least expensive camcorder - of which I am aware - that has XLR audio-in is the Sony HVR-A1U. It is a miniDV tape based DV/HDV camcorder with a single CMOS chip and a 37mm diameter lens. It has a headphone jack and LANC port. It has manual audio control and a single lens ring that can be either manual zoom or manual focus - but not both at the same time. It is about 4x more than you want to spend.
The least expensive standard definition camcorder using a 3CCD imaging chip array that has a mic jack and manual audio control and a proper headphone jack and good manual zoom and focus is the Canon GL2. It is about 3x more than you want to spend. It is miniDV tape based. It has a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo audio in jack so an XLR adapter is required.
I have both a juicedLink CX231 and BeachTek DXA-6. They both work well under different audio environments.
Then there's the Panasonic AG-DVX100 (about 4x more than your budget) and the Canon XL2 (about 7x more than your budget. Both the DVX100 and XL2 are miniDV tape based, standard definition, pro-grade camcorders which have large lenses (72mm, if memory serves) and 3CCD imaging chip arrays in the 1/3" range. They do quite well in low light environments. They also have proper headphone jacks and good manual audio, zoom and focus controls.
The Canon FS series of flash memory SD card and ZR960 miniDV tape based standard definiton camcorders have a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo audio in jack so an XLR adapter (like those from juicedLink or BeachTek) would be used in order to use mics which use an XLR connector. They do not have a headphone jack - but you can use the AV-out (Red-right audio; White-left audio) RCA jacks connected to an adapter to connect headphones and monitor the audio being captured. "XLR port" and "XLR connector" are the same thing on a camcorder.
The only camcorder I can think of that uses a 3CCD array and is in the $0-$500 price range and is standard definition is the Panasonic PV-GS320. It is miniDV tape based and has no audio-in jack (and certainly no XLR audio-in jacks).
Most camcorders starting at about $250 (and over) have some sot of image stabilization. At the low end this will be "digital" stabilization. Optical stabilization is a lot better and typical of more expensive camcorders.
There is no consumer camcorder in the $0-$500 with "good" low-light performance. In this price range, the lenses are less than 37mm diameter size. They are not big enough to capture enough light to behave well under low lighting conditions. As well, the imaging chips are too small (typically in the 1/6 inch range) to grab light under low light conditions. As the price goes up, the lenses get bigger... so do the imaging chips. This paragraph covers the "Lux 2 to 7" portion of your requirements as well. You may find these entry-level consumer cams reporting in at about 6 lux. The video is grainy at that level.
There is no consumer camcorder that has useful software bundled in the box. The bundled Microsoft MovieMaker (Windows XP SP2 and newer and Vista) and Apple iMovie editors are WAY better than any software bundled with the camcorder.
The least expensive camcorder - of which I am aware - that has XLR audio-in is the Sony HVR-A1U. It is a miniDV tape based DV/HDV camcorder with a single CMOS chip and a 37mm diameter lens. It has a headphone jack and LANC port. It has manual audio control and a single lens ring that can be either manual zoom or manual focus - but not both at the same time. It is about 4x more than you want to spend.
The least expensive standard definition camcorder using a 3CCD imaging chip array that has a mic jack and manual audio control and a proper headphone jack and good manual zoom and focus is the Canon GL2. It is about 3x more than you want to spend. It is miniDV tape based. It has a 1/8" (3.5mm) stereo audio in jack so an XLR adapter is required.
I have both a juicedLink CX231 and BeachTek DXA-6. They both work well under different audio environments.
Then there's the Panasonic AG-DVX100 (about 4x more than your budget) and the Canon XL2 (about 7x more than your budget. Both the DVX100 and XL2 are miniDV tape based, standard definition, pro-grade camcorders which have large lenses (72mm, if memory serves) and 3CCD imaging chip arrays in the 1/3" range. They do quite well in low light environments. They also have proper headphone jacks and good manual audio, zoom and focus controls.
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