Q. I am a pro photographer and i currently use the 5d Mark 2 & 3 I want to buy a wedding camcorder for my partner and myself (if it's a video only job) and I want tape-less for convenience without capturing. I am not looking to rent equipment, again for convenience. I am shooting for low budget clients as of now so I don't feel the need to spend more:
In order of preference, I'd like Dual Slots (A buddy of mine shot on a CF card and ended up spending more time recovering than he did if he was capturing), good low light quality, and good selective focus (bokeh)
Looking at:
Sony NEX-VG20H (With 18-200mm lens) $2200 - Very good selective focus - But only one sd slot.
Canon XF105 - $3000 Nice but heard IQ is pretty much the same as XA10 or worse in low light? - Pricey
Canon XA10 - $2000 - I think overpriced for just the handle with XLR inputs
Canon HF G10 - $1300
** What I meant was, my buddy was shooting on a Sandisk CF card and there was an error. He spent hours and hours retrieving lost data and spent more time doing that than he would have capturing MiniDV. Thats what I meant. **
Double Slot Recording allows you to record to two SD cards simultaneously, so you can have an automatic safety backup as you shoot FROM: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-G10-Camcorder-Internal-Memory/dp/B004HW7DZM
also we usually do 6-8 hours so it can come out to 4 tapes, so we would have to go back to the computer every hour so...
but THANK YOU for taking the time to write comprehensive explanations!
In order of preference, I'd like Dual Slots (A buddy of mine shot on a CF card and ended up spending more time recovering than he did if he was capturing), good low light quality, and good selective focus (bokeh)
Looking at:
Sony NEX-VG20H (With 18-200mm lens) $2200 - Very good selective focus - But only one sd slot.
Canon XF105 - $3000 Nice but heard IQ is pretty much the same as XA10 or worse in low light? - Pricey
Canon XA10 - $2000 - I think overpriced for just the handle with XLR inputs
Canon HF G10 - $1300
** What I meant was, my buddy was shooting on a Sandisk CF card and there was an error. He spent hours and hours retrieving lost data and spent more time doing that than he would have capturing MiniDV. Thats what I meant. **
Double Slot Recording allows you to record to two SD cards simultaneously, so you can have an automatic safety backup as you shoot FROM: http://www.amazon.com/Canon-G10-Camcorder-Internal-Memory/dp/B004HW7DZM
also we usually do 6-8 hours so it can come out to 4 tapes, so we would have to go back to the computer every hour so...
but THANK YOU for taking the time to write comprehensive explanations!
A. Hi Victor, and welcome to Y!A Camcorders:
If you look at the sensor size on the four cameras you've listed, you'll notice that the 3 Canon's are just 1/3" size (hence the poor low-light performance), whereas the Sony gives you a full APS-C sized sensor (hence the better "bokeh" DOF effect and more surface area for low-light).
You also have to look at video compression codecs and bit-rates to determine the output quality. The "pricey" Canon XF105 also gives you a 50Megabits/s which rivals pro-broadcast cameras. It also has GenLock, which you won't need, but is also a broadcast TV & multicamera "must have" feature. This Canon also uses pro-level 4:2:2 color sampling.
None of the Canons you listed will allow you to change lenses, but with the Sony you'll be able to buy a relatively-inexpensive lens adapter and make use of your Canon DSLR lens investment (the 5D's have a larger sensor, but you won't have any vignetting effects on the Sony's APS-C).
Out of the 4, I'd strongly recommend the Sony. Just buy larger flash cards, and forget about dual slots. (Good-quality video takes up a lot of space, which is why your buddy's CF cards filled up so fast.) You can always add an external storage drive, like the pros do! See: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xh-series-hdv-camcorders/143239-sony-hvr-mrc1-mount-w-pics.html
But take a look at Blackmagic Design's new "Cinema Camera" which is due out next month: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57415376-1/blackmagic-cinema-camera-aims-to-make-pro-video-more-affordable/ You're still in the under-$3000 price range and the Blackmagic can use your Canon EF lenses without any problems.
hope this helps,
--Dennis C.
P.S. Thanks for the update note, Victor. Yeah, I've experienced "disappearing files" on flash cards as well as glitched ones, which is why I prefer shooting miniDV/HDV tape... no files to lose. I know you probably hate the real-time tape transfer process, but that's one of those "do it over lunch" or capture on a separate computer with a removable/external drive (you guys have 2 decent PCs) while editing on the other PC or Mac.
When we're in a hurry (on a TV commercial deadline or reality show), we link each camera to its own AJA KiPro drive using Apple ProRes codecs for direct inputting into Final Cut. Those are pricey drives, so you could try the cheaper FireStore FS-series or the Sony HVR-MRC1 CF recorder that is mentioned in the DVInfo forum link above. The MRC1 records in HDV low-compression format, but still eliminates the real-time transfer lag (and on my Sony cameras, I can still roll tape simultaneously as a backup).
Oh, and Dual Slot SD cards wouldn't have helped your buddy's situation: the two SD cards record SEQUENTIALLY not simultaneously (it's called "relay record"). You'd still need a 2nd media recording device to provide a backup method.
--DC
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If you look at the sensor size on the four cameras you've listed, you'll notice that the 3 Canon's are just 1/3" size (hence the poor low-light performance), whereas the Sony gives you a full APS-C sized sensor (hence the better "bokeh" DOF effect and more surface area for low-light).
You also have to look at video compression codecs and bit-rates to determine the output quality. The "pricey" Canon XF105 also gives you a 50Megabits/s which rivals pro-broadcast cameras. It also has GenLock, which you won't need, but is also a broadcast TV & multicamera "must have" feature. This Canon also uses pro-level 4:2:2 color sampling.
None of the Canons you listed will allow you to change lenses, but with the Sony you'll be able to buy a relatively-inexpensive lens adapter and make use of your Canon DSLR lens investment (the 5D's have a larger sensor, but you won't have any vignetting effects on the Sony's APS-C).
Out of the 4, I'd strongly recommend the Sony. Just buy larger flash cards, and forget about dual slots. (Good-quality video takes up a lot of space, which is why your buddy's CF cards filled up so fast.) You can always add an external storage drive, like the pros do! See: http://www.dvinfo.net/forum/canon-xh-series-hdv-camcorders/143239-sony-hvr-mrc1-mount-w-pics.html
But take a look at Blackmagic Design's new "Cinema Camera" which is due out next month: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57415376-1/blackmagic-cinema-camera-aims-to-make-pro-video-more-affordable/ You're still in the under-$3000 price range and the Blackmagic can use your Canon EF lenses without any problems.
hope this helps,
--Dennis C.
P.S. Thanks for the update note, Victor. Yeah, I've experienced "disappearing files" on flash cards as well as glitched ones, which is why I prefer shooting miniDV/HDV tape... no files to lose. I know you probably hate the real-time tape transfer process, but that's one of those "do it over lunch" or capture on a separate computer with a removable/external drive (you guys have 2 decent PCs) while editing on the other PC or Mac.
When we're in a hurry (on a TV commercial deadline or reality show), we link each camera to its own AJA KiPro drive using Apple ProRes codecs for direct inputting into Final Cut. Those are pricey drives, so you could try the cheaper FireStore FS-series or the Sony HVR-MRC1 CF recorder that is mentioned in the DVInfo forum link above. The MRC1 records in HDV low-compression format, but still eliminates the real-time transfer lag (and on my Sony cameras, I can still roll tape simultaneously as a backup).
Oh, and Dual Slot SD cards wouldn't have helped your buddy's situation: the two SD cards record SEQUENTIALLY not simultaneously (it's called "relay record"). You'd still need a 2nd media recording device to provide a backup method.
--DC
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Top HD Camcorders under $500?
Q. What are the top 2011 HD camcorders under $500?
A. The top HD camcorders for under $500 are all JUNK. It would take you in excess of $3500 to get a HD camcorder that could even compete withe video Quality of a $300 MiniDV tape camcorder.
consumer level HD camcorders have 3 issues. 1) Fuzzy, blurry, out of focus areas around people in the HD video. 2) Any movement in front of a recording HD camcorder shows up in the finished video with screen ghosts and artifacts following the movement, ruining the video. 3) Lack of record times. 1 hour, go home, no way to change storage or continue shooting. Some offer a whole whopping 30 minutes. What, record 1/3 of the event then put the camcorder away or leave.
You can get the Canon ZR960 for $250 or the ZR930 for about $300. Both of these camcorders are MiniDV tape based. Both camcorders have a Mic jack. Both of these camcorder can take better quality video and audio than any sub $3000 camcorder.
consumer level HD camcorders have 3 issues. 1) Fuzzy, blurry, out of focus areas around people in the HD video. 2) Any movement in front of a recording HD camcorder shows up in the finished video with screen ghosts and artifacts following the movement, ruining the video. 3) Lack of record times. 1 hour, go home, no way to change storage or continue shooting. Some offer a whole whopping 30 minutes. What, record 1/3 of the event then put the camcorder away or leave.
You can get the Canon ZR960 for $250 or the ZR930 for about $300. Both of these camcorders are MiniDV tape based. Both camcorders have a Mic jack. Both of these camcorder can take better quality video and audio than any sub $3000 camcorder.
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